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xstate is a really great library

"a well-designed system makes it easy to do the right things and annoying (but not impossible) to do the wrong things." - Jeff Atwood So... about react...

I gave up hope in React a long time ago. I won’t use React whenever i can

The Legend

Imagine having a beef with a react hook

Nice presentation 👏

Lol, Ryan just effectively replaced "react"/vdom here at 16:38. It might be the mic'ing but was expecting at least a gasp from the audience. Ryan's abstractions may be much lighter/simpler than react's.

Great talk Josh! Thanks for this!!

Tejas is such an amazing educator, we need more of his content here on RUclips!

basically go back to react 15

Josh is best of the best

keep up the great work

Thanks for having me at this amazing conference!

Great talk Kawtar!

React: I use memo Others: We have signals React: Ok let's wait till our new compiler React forget

Josh is amazing!

literally 1/5 of the lecture is the dude telling stories of himself

Gem

You need to see what those libraries are doing behind the scene. Closing the eyes in the daylight does not mean it is night for all. they are using the useEffects more than normaly a developer do

I don't quiet understand the difference between "bad" and "good" examples of type declaration. Where should I look? I'll appreciate any explanation here

useJquery

I feel like a big problem here is that React doesn't seem to have a clear-cut way to handle promises when rendering a component, and useEffect has become a sort of work around exploit to fulfill that very common need.

In 15:42, is the `setIsOpen(nextIsOpen)` safe? I always think that when you derive next state from current state, the updater function MUST be used.

Excellent talk. Thank you, Nikhil. {2024-02-13}

dude trying har to find solutions for an imaginary problem, useEffect is just fine, adding 10 layer above it just for the sake of not using it is NOT fine.

15:40 what the actual F... I knew I'm not going to be happy with hooks when it was first introduced, gladly I could hop off the React train then. Revisiting it with this part feels like a nightmare. It's REALLY hard to follow what the hell actually (needs to) happens there even with that simplest example, can't imagine what kind of mess it would look like in a big application. I can't put it into words how much I just hate it now.

Talk should be "you're probably to stupid to write React effects, so use my code instead"

useEffect is the most human of all react. Don't struggle, just enjoy

Lmao all soydevs in the comments. Get good or something.

Had so much fun on this episode!

useEffect runs twice only in a dev mode with strict mode, on productions runs once and this is on purpose.

React is creating new problems, to solve old problems. Thats how I see this.

React can suck a dick, really, re-inventing its own fucking wheel every couple of months. It's only popular because it's easy for beginners to make some bullshit "instagram clone" as their firs project. So you get a bunch of self diagnosed "full-stack developers" hype it up to be the "best thing ever".

✋ *promosm*

I don't understand why all this noise and complaints in the comments about React. React is a library. It gives you the toolset and you are in charge of it.

13:49 Would be great if React forced us to add the deps array by throwing an error or a warning. I just don't see any reasonable case when useEffect without the deps array could be used.

12:45 If data comes from an outside source, then you have to use useEffect.

Years later and the confusion is still not solved. React in a nutshell. For others, use preact signals or vue.

Puh guys, this was never an issue with Vue. There are reasons why I don't touch React. I believe it has it's usages but it's so complex and I truly ask what the overcomplicated pattern solves as even Vue 3 is close to Reacts schematics but in a much simpler way. I didn't see any performance issue if anyone may ask.

Explaining ❤❤

haha that was so fun! I used to be Astro and Svelte guy, but now learning more about Solid and how it matches Tauri (thanks to Atila) I'm trying Solid

nat alison fan club reporting in live (we love her)

With signals this presentation is already obsolete as you can stop using hooks all together.

"So, use - seems cool, terrible named, but you know, that's the future." React is everything that I hate about "modern" web dev.

Great short presentation, I think it would be good to have it in article form as an easy way to quickly share the points with other engineers

It was an awesome edition and experience once again! Glad to be part of the community!

I'm a react dev and after seeing this, all i want is to change framework. What a mess they have created.

Thanks guys !

Thanks guys! Was so much fun being on the podcast!

It feels like the solution with useEffect is basically using it with rxjs. For example the takeUntil operator is op for clean ups, I wonder why rxjs didn't pick up with react community.